Do Bad Things Happen to Good People?
gratitude, inner peace, thinking errors January 15th, 2009Many people mistakenly fall prey to thinking error #14 in our series - or the lie of:
15. Heaven’s Reward Fallacy - bad things don’t happen to good people
“Finally!” I thought, when I saw this thinking error on the list, “This is one that I do not participate in. Whew!!!”
And then I did some research before writing this post and it just so happens that some people define Heaven’s Reward Fallacy as something a little different than what I learned. I was forced to examine my thoughts a little further. We will take a look at both definitions, as each are lies that people fall prey to.
First of all, do bad things happen to good people?
Heaven’s Reward Fallacy says no. The real answer is yes, it is a fact that bad things happen to everyone - good and bad. No one goes through life without bad things happening to them. That would be like living in a fairy tale. It’s just not realistic.
Some people completely abandon their faith or belief in God because they mistakenly believe the Heaven’s Reward Fallacy and think that He promised us that bad things would never happen to us. As a matter of fact, I have a good friend who pretty much turned her back on God and is in a really rocky relationship now due largely to this false belief. What I have learned from my study is that God did not promise that bad things would not happen to us (as a matter of fact He promised that they would), but rather that he would always be there for us and provide us with the strength to deal with the tough times in life.
In fact, it is in the tough times that we become better and more mature people - IF we allow ourselves to be refined during the trials. I once heard someone say that God is complimenting us when he allows trials to come our way. He is saying to us, “I knew you could handle this.” He is allowing us to grow. It truly is up to us which perception we choose.
My friend that I mentioned - what she said to me was, “I have tried and tried to do good, but bad things just keep on and keep on happening. Well, they do to me to. She thought if she was good enough, then the bad things would just stop.
God being with us…. isn’t about Him taking away our circumstances, it’s about Him helping us deal with the circumstances.
Healthy accurate thinking in regards to this, really has to do with our reasons or motives for doing things. If we are doing good for any other reason than simply just to do good or out of gratitude then we’re likely setting ourselves up for failure.
Back to my friend….She was setting herself up for failure over and over again by telling herself the lie that if I’m good enough the bad stuff will stop. Now that I think about it… In this way, I can see how the next definition of Heaven’s Reward Fallacy is really maybe the same as the first (or at least very related.)
Definition # 2 of Heaven’s Reward Fallacy:
- Could be called the martyr’s fallacy. You believe that if you always do the right thing that you will eventually be rewarded (even if doing the right thing means ignoring your own needs.)
- You expect all your sacrifice and self-denial to pay off, as if there were someone keeping score. You feel bitter when the reward does not come. You work extra hard and sacrifice, and do the right thing, expecting to get a lot of credit later. Often, it doesn’t come, and this upsets you.
(The source for these definitions come from here and here.)
A great example is listed here.
So basically the main difference in this definition as opposed to the first lies in the self sacrificing, door mat mentality and/or in doing something for one specific reward. The first definition seems to be more broad in it’s scope.
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I believe many people believe these fallacy’s. I know a girl who abandoned her faith because too many things were going wrong, so she assumed there must be no God. This person was very religious in the beginning and said she lived by the Word. The problem is that sometimes we listen to people more than we listen to faith or God. Have you ever read the bible- It is not exactly full of people having easy lives. They all have hardships, and many trials, including Jesus himself. Life is tough sometimes but people need to realize it is all for a reason. There is always a lesson to be learned- even in the most painful situations. The more painful the situation is, the harder it is to find the good, but it is there somewhere, even if it not apparent at the time.
The Martyr fallacy is silly. Forgive me, but what would the point of living on this earth be if we are in constant pain, and have no joy? To see if we can handle it? Only those VERY few people make it to the kingdom of heaven? It is certainly not what the bible says, and not what my heart believes to be true, and my heart never lies. Want to be good, follow your heart- it will never allow you do bad towards others and especially not against you. Wow- sorry long comment.
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Hi Jennifer,
Take 1: I agree that bad things happen to everyone. And in this take on “Heaven’s Reward Fallacy” - I’m having a hard time thinking of a specific example. So, I’m thinking like you - hey, I don’t do this one.
Take 2: “Always doing the right thing will eventually be rewarded”. First blush on this one - we can’t possibly “always” do right. Upon further thinking here, though - when I look at this not from a macro level, but more of a micro level — I do find myself committing this error. So what do I mean? By micro level, I’m thinking of breaking life down into smaller events. And within these events, I can and have thought that “if I always do right for this one event, I will eventually be rewarded”. This way of looking at it gives a whole different look than from a much more macro level. Example: I recall a particular physics class in college. I worked hard. I knew the material. I also had a roommate in the class with me. He didn’t study. He didn’t know the material. He cheated his way through the class, and if I recall correctly (it’s been many years ago!) he ended up with a better grade in the class. I was bitter - in this case both toward him and toward a system that let this happen. In reality, it mattered little (although that is not how I saw it at the time). In reality, what mattered was me taking care of what was within my control - and that was me and my work. It’s so easy to see this today, yet in the “heat of the moment” this was not easy at all… I think that fits this second example.
So, I find that the second definition is one that is easier to fall prey to.
I love the artwork - you are very talented Jennifer! Share more!
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Sometimes, “bad” things are not necessarily bad. Perhaps there are life lessons in there that a person needs to go through. We only judge them as “bad” because we have no awareness of how to unstuck ourselves.
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Jay, you said some very good things here. The girl you know sounds A LOT like my friend.
Certainly the Bible is FULL of people having hardships. People have always and will always live with hardships as long as the earth exist.
I really appreciated these words here: “There is always a lesson to be learned - even in the most painful situations. The more painful the situation is, the harder it is to find the good, but it is there somewhere, even if it not apparent at the time.” There’s not too much I could add to that.
I like your thoughts about following your heart and it will never allow you to do bad towards others. I would say that is true only if we put the right things into our hearts. I believe that deep inside we are all good, but if we don’t continually nourish that then could our heart turn bad? I believe certainly, it could. One of my best friends’ dads has a quote that goes like this: “Fill your heart with the right things and then follow your heart.”
I think there’s a reason that Paul says in the Bible to “rejoice in the Lord, ALWAYS, and AGAIN I say rejoice.” To top it off he was in prison when he wrote it!!! He understood fully that joy didn’t depend on circumstances at all!
No worries at all about the length. You fit right in around here.
Hi Lance. Finally, one we both don’t do. Doesn’t that feel good!
About take 2: I’m there with you. Since I first read that definition, I could only think of one main situation where I have been using that. It’s very personal so I don’t really want to share it here. However, since you gave your example I’m wondering if there are other areas where I could have used this or might be using it now. I will spend some time thinking about that….
It is hard in college not to participate in this one - esp. with a lot of people anyway…
Lance, you always give great examples here. Thanks so much.
Thanks for the compliment on the artwork. I had another photo already in the post and ready to publish and I thought, “I have an art piece that is almost identical to that. Why don’t I use it?” So there it is. Maybe I’ll find a use for more of them.
Hi Evelyn. Welcome back. I’ve missed you. I LOVED your comment. Simple, but very powerful! It does all depend on how we define bad, doesn’t it. What people call bad may not even be bad at all. It may actually be great, but they miss the greatness entirely because they are focused on bad. I love how W. Clement Stone was noted for saying “Great!” when something “bad” came up. Looking for lessons to be learned and having a mind focused on opportunities can really turn bad into good fast.
Thanks for this great comment!
Hi Jennifer,
That’s a good question, and I too know of people who have given up on God because something ‘bad’ happened to them. I agree with Evelyn that ‘good’ and ‘bad’ are human judgments, our interpretation of what happens at that point in time.
I do believe in karma, in that when you do something good, you send out good vibrations into the universe and those vibes must eventually touch someone, whether it is yourself or others. So my concept is not so much of a boomerang effect, that good comes back to me, but a ripple effect, that I’m sending good out. And when I experience good, it may not be because of my own actions but someone else’s who has also sent out good ripples which touch me.
Thanks for the thought provoking post!
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Hi Jennifer. This is a good question. I think the answer depends on the person too, and what their perception of right and wrong is. Some people encounter hardships and keep on moving despite them, barely even seeing them as a hardship… hmmm, this sounds like someone we both know… Lance?
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[...] Jennifer wrote a nice piece about how thinking in terms of good and bad can lead to some fallacies in thinking. [...]
Hey Jennifer,
We both don’t do that - it feels great!!
And, along the lines of the second take here - I’m sure I could come up with more examples of this in my life, too. The thing is - right now - where am I at? And I believe this is not a thinking error for me now (that’s a good thing!). Is it easy for it so “sneak” in to our live, though, sometimes? Maybe…
The whole college idea - if I came across as a “model” student (well, it terms of work performance) - I was far from it. And maybe that’s even part of it. I can think of one blatant cheating experience on my part (along with many shady calls, I’m sure) - that would veer me much more away from exactly what I discussed - to being the guy on the other side of that equation. And really, I’m not saying I was a model student in any aspect - there are for me, too, some things that are way too personal to talk about publicly…
And…it’s good to see you don’t have a length limit on the comments!!
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thanks for this jennifer.
great thoughts to start the day.
i do not think i partake of either fallacy….
as a family, we always give our problems up to god to ask for help and his guidance in sorting them out and working through.
i owe my thinking with regards to god mainly to my mom and her sister. they are very strong in their believes and very generous with their love. they learned what they know and believe from their parents.
we were raised to look to god for support when we needed. that god helped shoulder any burdens so that they could be better managed.
regardless, your post helps to add an awareness to our believes and an opportunity to refocus our internal dialogue.
be well,
storm
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Hi Daphne. Welcome to Principles for Peace. I like having people around who spread joy.
Good and bad is very often a matter of perception. What one person sees as bad, another could see as good and /or and opportunity - like losing a job.
Hmmm. I had a different interpretation of what karma is than what you explained. I thought people did karma to make up for something bad. It sounds like that was not what you were saying. hmmm.
I do believe that good definitely affects others. People are always affected by good. It really depends on the underlying reason for doing good. Is good done to make up for something or to get something in return - or is the good done just to do good. Good done just for the sake of doing good - now that will send out lots of good vibes to those around us and we will reap many times over BECAUSE we did not do it to get something in return!
Thank you for your comment Daphne.
Hi Davina. I think it all depends on the person and their perception of everything.
I think I know that Lance guy you’re talking about… Sounds just like something he would do.
Daphne, by the way, thanks for the link love. I’m over to check out your post in just a bit.
Hi Lance. Reward yourself for growing. Isn’t that wonderful that you have moved past that. It’s always easy for thinking errors to “sneak” in if we give them the right breeding grounds in our hearts/minds by being self centered and having a negative attitude. I’m still analyzing my thinking to see if this particular one is rearing it’s ugly head somewhere.
I didn’t think you came across as the “model” student, although I’m sure you were a good one. So you made some mistakes - and now you’ve moved forward. That’s the right direction. Onward to live better and to put those things in the past! We all have those private issues… The thing is we’re working on those too.
Lance, I thought about putting a length limit on your comments and then I realized I would have to put one on mine too. So I overruled that thought.
Hi Storm. And thank you for your great comment.
That is wonderful that you do not buy into this fallacy! What a true blessing to have been taught to give your problems to God and to ask for his help! What a blessing for you to have been born into a God fearing family who taught you good ways of thinking and living and were so full of love.
Isn’t it great to have a God who helps us with our burdens!
Even though you don’t participate in this fallacy, I’m glad this post helped you to be more aware and focused.
Be well too, Storm!
Hi Jennifer, People must always get bad things to make them stronger and stronger. Your reflection also remember me about a quote from Mother Theresa. It is said “God never sends us more than we can handle.”
Great stuff here, Jennifer. Thanks for sharing.
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Hi Jennifer
In my humble thinking I would say, I believe everything happen in life is for us to learn a lesson and that lesson is a gift to us from God.
Often time I see when people lost a love one, they ask why did God did this to me. And my answer to that is, “God didn’t do that to you! Life did! And God wouldn’t allow that to happen to you, if he doesn’t think you can handle it.”
Thanks for a wonderful post.
Giovanna Garcia
Imperfect Action is better than No Action
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Hi Giovanna. I also believe that everything happens to us so that we can learn a lesson. It is a true gift from God that he allows us to learn lessons from everything so that we can grow.
I LOVE that - “God wouldn’t allow that to happen to you if he didn’t think you could handle it.” It’s very similar to what I said above, but I really like the wording you used.
Death is a natural occurrence. We are not meant to live forever anyway. We are meant to fully live and be grateful for the time that we are blessed with and to be grateful for each moment that we have with those we love. We never know how long we will have them.
Hi Arswino. Yes, people must get the bad - or seemingly bad - things in order to make them stronger. People would be little weaklings if they never faced adversity.
God does not put more on us than we can handle. The Bible tells us that as well.
Glad you enjoyed this Arswino. I’m also glad you are part of the community here now. (BTW - sorry if I responded to you out of order. I just upgraded WP and am getting used to the new settings here.)
While I didnt’ have the time to read through all the comments, I did enjoy your article here. I find that a lot of people use these fallacies more of a reasoning for their current beliefs or to avoid change than because of some experience. They put blame and judgment on good and bad themselves without ever thinking that might lead later to the opposite.
I guess I find a hard time sometimes trying to decide is an event, comment, etc is good or bad. Usually I just take it in, think about it and hope that it will teach me something or reveal something to me that I needed to see. That keeps me from judging the good and bad myself. Perhaps not your intent with this, but it’s the area I find experiencing the most when it comes to good and bad. Great topic btw!
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Hi Mike. I think you are right that a lot of people do use these fallacies as a reasoning for their current beliefs or to avoid change. It doesn’t take much to justify our beliefs at all. Most anything will do. It can be used as an easy out for not changing.
That is something that I try to do as well - to just take something in and look at with without judgment - or in a neutral form. It’s challenging to do and I’m still learning, but when I do this I’m able to see things more clearly and the labels kind of disappear. It’s much easier to learn from an event this way.
I like how you said “IF we allow ourselves to be refined during the trials”. Sometimes we have the same problem that keeps reoccurring in different ways because we haven’t addressed the root of the problem or learned the lesson we were supposed to get from a previous trial.
I see many people falling prey to #2 in churches. It’s ironic that even in that doormat mentality they don’t realize that by making sure their needs are met they can be of better service to others.
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Three verses come immediately to mind:
The rain falls on the just and the unjust alike.
You are called to be content (not to be “happy,” rich, or popular).
When times are good, be happy; but when times are bad, consider: God made one as well as the other.
I learned early on…instead of saying “why me?” it is better to say “why not me?”
Thanks for the post…and to all the comments, I’m glad I read through.
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Broderick, great point! That’s one powerful thing we teach in SFT Awareness. When something happens that we don’t like, then about the most important thing we can do is ask “What lesson did I learn from this?” That keeps the same problem from happening again and again.
When we (truly) love and take care of ourselves we can give so much to others. Many people from church do fall into the second one. Sad, but true.
B J, welcome to Principles for Peace! and thank you for your comments. Thank you for these verses. I kept thinking of your first one you mentioned when I wrote this. It does rain on the just and the unjust. We are given that promise.
Contentment! What else could we really want???
Glad you enjoyed the read and the comments here. There’s a great community here with brilliant minds!
I’ll leave you with, “Why not me?!”
Thanks again for stopping by.
It doesn’t matter, Jennifer. Thank you so much for your warm welcome.
Yes, I have been beginning to enjoy your blog. I am glad to be part of this community as well.
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Arswino, Your welcome. I know the others in the community here will enjoy having you along for the journey also. I really like your blog as well, so hopefully we can learn a lot from each other.
If I thought that only good things happen to good people I would have a personal crisis on my hands. I have had my share of bad so I can’t accept that it would be because I was a bad person. I have also heard that God doesn’t give you more than you can handle and thought I needed to talk to him about that. I do find comfort in Romans 8:28
“And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.”
I have found this to be a most comforting promise and I remind God of this one quit frequently. I realize that I may never put the pieces together to know what the good is, but I trust in the goodness of God and know he is true to his word. I think we get wrapped around the pain we are in in a situation (I am extremely guilty of this). I wonder what we might do if we went to God to know him better instead of our first concern to be pain relief? Just some thoughts….
Hi Jennifer - You’re right. Bad things happen to all people. When they do happen to good people, it’s easy to question “why”, but as we all know, it’s those trials and tribulations that make us stronger people. What we learn from those incidents is often something we can take and share with others. Plus…it teaches us compassion for others when they encounter the same situation.
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Hi Laurie. I would have multiple crises on my hands if I thought that bad things didn’t happen to good people. I’d go insane. Sometimes it seems like too much, but God is there with us and trusts us to come through as we hold His hand. Romans 8:28 is also one of my VERY favorites! I too sometimes can’t see the good in all situations, but keep trusting in Him and reminding myself that good will come just as He has promised. I just trust Him to show it to me in His time. Some of the good we may never see, but as you said He is true to his word.
I love your suggestion of going “to God to know him better [in trying times] instead of our first concern to be pain relief.” How can we learn about/know Him more through this (any) situation? That’s what I try to do when I’m thinking clearly. Sometimes I forget to think clearly though cause I’m all wrapped up in myself. Makes all the difference. There’s much less pain that way and the pain actually does subside quicker than if we are focused on pain and relieving it.
Thank you for your great thoughts Laurie!
Hi Barbara. It is easy to bring up the “why” question, isn’t it! Especially when the focus is on ourselves so much. The trials are often what makes us who we are. I think that’s one reason that we experience trials - so that we can empathize with others and help them. If we only get the focus off of ourselves…
Thanks Barbara for your thoughts.
I’ve seen people, including myself, trying to work with both of these fallacies and eventually coming to the point of frustration because ‘God isn’t keeping His part of the deal.’ Of course, God was never in on this kind of deal in the first place, as you have mentioned. More and more, lately, I have recognized a need to check my ‘plumb line’. It’s something you alluded to when you said this:
“Healthy accurate thinking in regards to this, really has to do with our reasons or motives for doing things.”
We really need to investigate our reasons for doing what we do, and make sure those reasons are in line with God’s Word … in line with His high calling in our lives. If we’re doing what we do for any reason other than an attempt to walk blamelessly with Him and delight Him with our obedience, then our reasons are amiss. It’s hard to remember that, though, when times are tough. That’s why we need the constant fellowship of other believers who are serious about their relationship with God. They help us keep our motives pure. It looks like you are doing a great job of that here at Principles For Peace. May God bless your obedience.
I just subscribed to your blog … so glad I found it today!
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Tammie, welcome to Principles for Peace! I’m so glad you found my blog as well. Interesting… I had just found your blog a couple of hours earlier and subscribed to it! You know what they say about great minds….
I love how you said that “God was never in on this kind of deal in the first place.” That was great - and true.
The “plumb line” is where it all starts. Where are our motives? If they are in place - in line with the Word then we’re good to go. If not, there’s work to do. Your comments remind me of some of the best advice I’ve ever been given: “It’s about God, it’s not about you.” That was powerful, and it’s only when I’ve got that in focus that things are the way they should be in my life. Does that mean everything goes my way? Nah! More things do, but they don’t HAVE (or need) to.
Thank you for all you kind words and I’m glad we “met.”
[...] 15. Heaven’s Reward Fallacy - bad things don’t happen to good people [...]
I personally view things that happen in our lives as “events” Then these events are looked at as bad or good, depending on your perception.
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AJ, events are just events. The choice is ours how we look at it and allow it to affect our lives. Great point.
This could be taken to be a flat out rejection of the “Argument from Evil” against God’s existence. If God is omnipotent, omniscient, and all-good, then there should be no evil. Pretty simple argument and I don’t think it can be easily dismissed.
Of course, if you want to insist that bad things happens to good people (and therefore something bad happens), then we have to reject the existence of the “perfect God” rather than suffer incoherence.
It might be important to note that the existence of a perfect God is less certain that the fact that bad things happen. Therefore, we can’t presuppose the existence of such a God to reject that bad things happen.
@James Gray- Let’s say you are a very powerful man who loves a certain young lady and you want to spend your life with her. If you could, would you through your power, cast a spell over her and magically make her love you? Or would you rather allow her the choice of loving you knowing that that love would be genuine and real?
That’s kind of the way God is. He could make us all robots, loving him by his power, or he could give us the choice to love or reject him and our love be genuine. He choice genuine love. In doing that, people also have the choice to be evil and that evil effects me and you. I think that a God who gives us choice to love him or not, is perfect.
There being evil in the world doesn’t disprove the existence of God, as darkness doesn’t disprove the existence of light. Just as darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of God in the life of someone.
Free will isn’t the only cause of evil. “Ignorance is the only sin” (we make stupid mistakes) and some children starve to death at an early age. If God exists as Christians believe (Omnipreset, Omnibenevolent, Omnipotent, and Omniscient), then he can and should help us out more. The argument from evil hasn’t been so easily defeated. The answer you gave is a common one. To know more about the argument from evil, you should take a look at what philosophers have to say about it:
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/evil/
Hi James. I can see that you have put a lot of thought into this. I have asked a friend or two to help address your concerns. As of now, I have an appointment to attend.
Hello James. I have a question for you. What makes something evil?
Gary,
Almost no one in the world believe in “evil.” It used to be a Christian herecy and it was developed by the Zorastrians.
I think it is wrong to torture babies because a great deal of harm is done and little to no benefit is gained. It is a horrible thing to do and it’s not just the baby’s “opinion” or that it’s horrible.
James, these sources may provide a different perspective for consideration:
Books:
“The Problem of Pain” - by C.S.Lewis
“Have Atheists Proven there is no God?” - by Thomas Warren
Webpages:
http://www.xenos.org/essays/evilpo.htm
http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/probe/docs/evil.html
James,
What do you mean it was a christian heresy and developed by Zoroastrians? I can make claims all day like as well without proving anything about what I claim is true.
Second, who are you to say that killing a baby is wrong if there is no transcended objective moral truth? If there is no God, nor one that is objectively moral, how can anyone say that anything is wrong. That is without just claiming a personal preference. In other words, it may be wrong for me to kill babies, but that does not mean that I should stop anyone else from killing babies because there is no true punishment to endure. If I were to kill someone else’s baby for fun and I was killed in retaliation then so what. I would just be dead. So to say God does not exist because of evil means I have to first have some means of determining what is evil. Otherwise it is just my personal preference against another.